They don't store the information
"For digital immigrants, people who are 40 years old who spent their college time in the library acquiring information, the Internet is really a miraculous source of knowledge,'' Bauerlein says. "Digital natives, however, go to the Internet not to store knowledge in their minds, but to retrieve material and pass it along. The Internet is just a delivery system.''
"For digital immigrants, people who are 40 years old who spent their college time in the library acquiring information, the Internet is really a miraculous source of knowledge,'' Bauerlein says. "Digital natives, however, go to the Internet not to store knowledge in their minds, but to retrieve material and pass it along. The Internet is just a delivery system.''
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I completely agree. Nowadays, getting information is almost effortless. Almost all phones have Internet, and our schools, libraries, and according to a study done in 2005, 76% of Americans also have them in their homes. Middle aged and senior citizens were brought up using books of means but now that we have the internet that makes information easy and quick to get, most of us aren’t using the things are parents did. A study in 2005 showed that 87% of teens use the Internet (In America), 13% of teenagers who do not use the Internet are almost always from low-income homes with limited access to technology, 32% of all teems IM every day, teens prefer instant messaging to e-mail. I think the reason American teens prefer IM over Email is probably because it’s so much quicker and easier.
But using the Internet for everything comes with consequences. It makes us lazier, and according to a study done in southeastern China with 1041 teens, “teenagers who are “addicted” to the Internet are more than twice as likely to become depressed than those who surf the Web in a more controlled manner...” Therefore we shouldn’t get too obsessed with using the internet for everything. The Study was published in the Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine where the 1041 teens from Guangzhou, China completed a questionnaire/survey “to identify whether they used the Internet in a pathological way, and were assessed for anxiety and depression”, where they found that 940 out of 1041used it normally but 6.2% were classified pathologic Internet users and 0.2% were severely pathologic. Nine months after that, the teens’ psychological states were reassessed, and the researchers discovered that students who used the Internet “uncontrollably or unreasonably” were around two-and-a-half times as likely as normal Web users to develop depression or anxiety. It’s not a lot, but still…
Also, not everything you read on the Internet is 100% true. I have seen some ridiculously untrue things, as well as the fact that there are viruses on so many sites… A study at Standford University showed:
-People spend more hours on the Internet the more years they have been using it.
- They feel that it has reduced their time with friends and family, or attending events outside the home.
- A quarter of regular Internet users who are employed say the Internet has increased the time they spend working at home without cutting back at the office
-60% of regular Internet users say the Internet has reduced their TV viewing, and 33% say they spend less time reading newspapers.
-The least educated and the oldest Americans are least likely to have Internet access, but when they do use the Internet, their use is similar to others' use.
I definitely agree though. It’s easier quicker, and it’s making us lazier.
I have to agree that our generation does not remember/care about the essays and projects we have to do for school. Half because in grade school, we don't get to choose our subjects up until the last year. However the generations before ours have been learned differently than ours. Plus, they are the ones teaching us so, they shouldn't put all the blame on us, it's both of our faults. I believe it's never one persons fault, it is always more than one.
Oddly enough, I have to agree with Bauerlein on this one. There really isn't any need anymore to retain information in our minds, because you can find almost anything on the internet. Like Maddie said, most people will not remember anything they wrote on that essay last week because it will always be on the CPU, and that's why the internet is, in fact, a miraculous creation. But, the internet doesn't get information on its own, it needs people to update it. When it is time for our generation to be in charge, we won't have much to update the internet with, because all we know is what flashes on Google. Unfortunately, there are more consumers than producers.
I totally disagree. First off, how do you measure how much one generation remembers towards the next? Also is it necessary to remember everything? These days remembering all the states and all the cities isn't important. Now it' accessing the information. So our generation has adapted to this reality. So what Mr. Baurelein thinks is ignorance is actually just useful. Instead of wasting our time with memorizing this stuff we know how to access it. So once again he is just old fashion and wants to keep to his old ways.
I disagree with Bauerlein saying that we only use the Internet to "relay" information. Nowadays we can get our hands on information in a snap, open computer, open Google, and then Google it! We can obtain vast amounts of accurate information in very short time, I say accurate because by going to multiple sources not just Wikipedia it will guarantees accuracy. While 30 or 40 years ago people would have to scour the massive college libraries for a long time just to find a small bit of information, I think that people spend more time looking for the book and specific chapter than actually reading the information you need.
But how is it possible to measure the amount of knowledge people can hold, what proves that the last generation is better than memorizing stuff than we are. And who really cares? Like we discussed in class, this is a completely different generation instead of focusing on memorizing information we focus on how to access the information.
This proves how ignorant Bauerlein is, what is good he says is bad. Like in chapter 5 of the Dumbest Generation book Bauerlein criticizes us for not touring museums, not going to art performances, not reading Wuthering Heights and Jane Austen book, and a whole lot of other stuff. I think Bauerlein can't accept the fact that the world is changing and what was the mode in his day is now the old in this day.
i dont agree with this one. everyone looks up info on the internet. why is it when old people look up stuff, its so smart and when we look it up, its dumb? personally, i think the internet IS a miraculous source of knowledge, and when i reseach stuff for a project or something i remember everything that i learned form there. its not like we forget things as soon as we finish that project or essay or whatever. ya some dumb people in our generation do that, but there are dumb people in every generation; including the ones where you have to look stuff up in books.
I disagree with this statement. Like Sebastian asked , how do you measure how much one generation remembers towards the next?
I think its great that we can access information in a second. Mr. Bauerlein should realize that the internet is not always bad. We can do many things on it for important things , like school.
But at the same time our generation takes advantage of everything. Instead of doing homework , we multi task. One tab has facebook on it, the other has youtube and etc.
I agree with Bauerlein when he writes "Digital natives, however, go to the Internet not to store knowledge in their minds, but to retrieve material and pass it along. The Internet is just a delivery system.'' It's true we don't keep all of this information when we use the internet for school. We really use the for social networking or things that are fun. We don't think finding information or facts for projects and essay fun. Like Maddie says.
I disagree with Bauerlein when he writes "For digital immigrants, people who are 40 years old who spent their college time in the library acquiring information, the Internet is really a miraculous source of knowledge,'' Yes, they had to go to libraries to gather their information, but I still don't think that they remember that information, they forget it too, just like Bauerlein says for “Digital Natives”. Yes, for people who don't even work on a computer, find it so fascinating. And full of knowledge but still they are not going to remember.
So in conclusion, no one has super sonic memory. I don't think everyone remembers everything thing they've study unless it' their occupation. For people over 40, the computer is a wonderful source of information and a wonderful invention. For us, we've always had them we just find them apart of our daily lives. Of course we think they are cool, but we don't really want to use them for our schoolwork. We find computers are there for us to just to pass time.
I agree with Mark Bauerlein here. But this doesn't apply to me.
I use the internet for multiple uses. I don't just use it to a delivery system or use it like a "digital immigrant." I go on the internet if I have a reason. Otherwise I use it to go on Facebook or MSN when I have free time.
However, the internet can be very useful if used like a delivery system. This class blog is the perfect example. Same with Yahoo, Hotmail and even Facebook. Unfortunately, we use them like a toy, not a tool. Once we start using them like a toy, we get addicted.
Digital immigrants take the fruit and vegetables off the internet, while the Natives take the Candy.
I agree with mark Bauerlein on this one. The Internet is an amazing source of information, but we abuse it. For instance when we need to do a project we will look up information on the Internet, find what we need and then completely forget it after we hand it in. I think we do his because we think that if we ever need to use that information again we could just go and look it up again. It is true that we could do that but we should still remember the projects an information that we use. I think we don't bother trying to remember it because it takes a while to get it into your longterm memory, so it is easier to just go and look it up again when needed. There is more people who do this in this generation than the last because we have the most access to the Internet and information as Claire had said. We have our phones, computers, iPod etc.
I agree with all my other class mates. It is true our parents would be spending all their time going to libraries or reading books at home on the topics they needed for their class. We don’t need to read all these books we can use the internet and search the topic on Google and get millions of hits in .21 seconds. We haven’t needed, don’t know and never will know how it was. I also use the computer like Eric, Facebook, MSN and Youtube. Faisa, no one can effectively multitask though. I learned earlier only .03 percent of people can actually multitask. Unfortunately I have the tendency to multitask almost all the time. I listen to music when I sleep, doing some types of homework, music before sports games and music during practices at home. Heck! Right now I’m listening to music. I honestly don’t know but it just makes things better. Internet does have it’s advantages and disadvantages but overall I think it was great to found and invented. Also isn’t it a good thing we can access all this information so fast and easily since things now a days things are evolving so fast. We need to be up to date on the newest things on maybe a solution for global warming. It’s just things are different for us, we are a different generation so we are going to approach things differently and make our decisions based on what we have now.
I agree with Mark this time. I don't think that many people remember what they hand into a teacher. so therefore anything they look up on the web. Since all we have to do is type in key words and scroll down a page, researching has become effortless. Personally, I just look up the information make a brainstorm sheet and type up the main ideas. After I hand in the assignment. It's gone. It’s the same with tests. We cram for a test and the second its over the info starts to slowly leave your brain. Maybe lingering in sub-consciousness for a bit before it disappears for good. We don't need to spend hours on end looking up info in a library when we have a virtual library at the click of a button. The books you usually find in libraries just have snippets of information in them. So you have to piece them all together in the end, so it gets stuck in your memory. As for computers you can find a whole website based on one specific subject. So we don't have to piece any information together. Which means it doesn't stay in our brains.
This is a bit of an odd statement in my opinion. It’s almost as if now he's just making random excuses as to why we're dumb; like an elementary argument. First he says we don't go on anything other than facebook or YouTube, and then he goes and says we DO, but we just don’t store any of it. It’s like he's admitting defeat in small steps.
I believe we DO store the information; I know I do. And isn't it HIS generation that keeps teaching us that repetition gets it stuck in our heads? All these teachers are getting us to copy things down, (like today with Mrs. Buck.)Claiming that it'll help us learn. Isn’t passing things along ALSO stimulating that same learning style? To pass things along you have to look at them over and over again so why WOULDN'T that be the same as re-writing it?
Even still, how can we NOT take advantage of having the internet? We were born with it so it's something we grew up with so we don't see it as a treasured miracle. Bauerlien says 40 year olds used to go to the library for their knowledge? Well, guess what? Did it ever occur to you that they were taking advantage of the LIBRARIES? You see, it's the exact same thing, but on a bigger scale. It’s a vast source of information that was set there before you were born to be accessed and used that way. BUT, instead of seeing it as a miracle, like they see the internet, they see it as a normality; which is how we see the internet. We really aren't so different after all. Some cavemen already had fire and spears for them when they were born, then for the next generation, houses. Then some people already had boats and maps created for them, but they lost their primitive instincts. Then some generations had cities already there for them, but they lost their sense of exploration then a couple generations previous to ours already had guns and books, but they lost their hard-core will. And now us: we were born with the internet but lost our will to further explore. And thus the vast cycle of loss and gain continues, and will continue still, with the generations to come. You know, I bet the pioneers would think Bauerlien was pretty dumb. I hate to say this, but it’s all about perspective.
Well, based on Mr.Baurelein said, how does that make us dumb in the first place??? So I don't think I agree with this one, because, how does he know we don't contain the information, so he might have studies, but there's no data in this statement, so you don't know where this is coming from. And also, like everyone else said, so maybe we don't know everything and we don't have everything memorized, that doesn't mean that we can't find the information, retain it and put it to good use.
It's true nowadays instead of taking that ten minute drive or walk to the library we turn to the web which we can access in seconds. But there is a flaw in this system though because for example say that someone posted something on their blog stating a fact that happened to be wrong. Well it would be too easy for someone to take that fact not even pausing to think if it was right and used it for a homework assignment or something like that. Anything in the internet can travel from place to place and nobody pauses to think about it. Books are a much more reliable source of knowledge than the internet but I am not saying that what they say is always right either. But the vast majority of books you can depend on for information.
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